division of the city of Jersulem

sarahw · #1 (**permalink**) 09-21-2007, 02:29 AM

How is dividing Israel going to comply with end time prophetic prophecy?
I am not very educated in this area. I just see the days, the hour and the time and see the time is growing more short.
read the news report. and know that this is a scary piece of news

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/235137.aspx

When I went to a ministry meeting. The minster who had just come back from Israel had told us that America was the government was the government that was trying to push this division of the city of Jerusalem. Time as we know it is growing short.

srahw

Pillar · #2 (**permalink**) 09-29-2007, 08:18 PM

welp, i dont know how either - but Gods word will come to pass; and mens hearts will fail them for fear - Yikes!

Christsciple · #3 (**permalink**) 02-13-2008, 05:39 AM

Don't worry Sarah! The actual dividing of Jerusalem has nothing to do with the Biblical prophecy.

Jerusalem the city is different from the Jerusalem that God speaks of, which is/are his people, his children, so in other words us. The dividing has already happened which is evidenced by the many different churches and sub types of Christianity. Anything that happens to or with Israel today does not have any effect on us.

jujube · #4 (**permalink**) 04-05-2008, 02:45 AM

The fact that there are Jews in Israel and that they control Jerusalem brings us closer to the endtimes than dividing any of the land of Israel. The building of a Temple and resuming sacrifices would bring us even closer.

That being said, Joel 3 is quite clear in stating the LORD will judge those who divide his land. From a judgmental point of view, it would be better for the US and any other country to get out of any deal that involves giving up Israeli land.

The USA would be better going home or attacking Israel's enemies and regaining all the land Israel had in Biblical times. Unfortunately, that would trigger WWIII.

Christsciple · #5 (**permalink**) 04-06-2008, 12:40 AM

God does not say that if a literal Jew rebuilds a temple or what have you that it is a sign, the Bible is spiritual, not physical. I could go to Jerusalem right now and build a temple and proclaim myself a sort of different Jew and it would make no difference, God has His plans, how is it that we have the power to manipulate them?

jujube · #6 (**permalink**) 04-06-2008, 05:06 AM

The 70th seven has yet to be fulfilled. Daniel 9:27 describes what will happen.
By the way, Jews are not even allowed to go to the Temple Mount to pray. The police or soldiers guarding it will stop them. Once a Rabbi tried to drag a portable altar to the temple mount to perform a sacrifice, but was caught.

I have a thread that deals with the end times. Look at it if you like.

Christsciple · #7 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 02:01 PM

I looked at Daniel 9:27 and read your comment and two things add up, but don't make Biblical sense. Sacrificing is a common ritual in Israel, to say that because someone cannot sacrifice at the Temple Mount has Biblical relevance is erroneous. I have never been to Israel but I know many people who have and I have friends living there now.

Romans 9:24-27 describes Israel for what it really is; people who are God's children, not physically born in the country of Israel, or of actual Israeli descent. We are hand picked by God to be His children. The Bible says we are all equal, if Israelis were really the 'chosen' people how would this be equal? In relevance to our time, not the time of the pharaoh.

Genesis 32:28, 35:10. Jacob is renamed 'Israel'. This is not the actual people of Israel so to speak but the Saved, the Called Upon (Christians as you might say).

What would it matter if some people of a different skin color/race were 'more special' than others? First it would go against Biblical doctrine, it would go against the words of God. Secondly, what advantage/disadvantage would that give God or Satan? Well, none! Our bodies are tents as described in the Bible, and God is not wanting our bodies, neither does Satan have any desire to take our physical bodies. Both want our souls depending on who is predestined, because this is what carries on after death, not our legs, arms, so on, it is our soul that counts and it seems as though this fact is horribly neglected in the Church these days.

Remember that Christ did not come to bring peace either, but to divide (Luke 12:51.

jujube · #8 (**permalink**) 04-08-2008, 07:49 PM

I re-read all of your posts, Christsciple, and the arguments you make are consistent with a doctrine known as Replacement Theology. Christians have not replaced the Jews; they have merely been included into the family of God. Jews still have a vital role to play, especially in the end times we find ourselves now.

I suggest that you continue reading the book of Romans, especially chapter 11.
Your argument seems to be with scripture, not with me. When you finish digesting chapter 11, you may gain a fuller understanding of God's plan for the world.

Christsciple · #9 (**permalink**) 05-27-2008, 05:40 PM

You believe the most common form of Biblical intrepretation; your a literalist. And the Bible is not a very literal book at all, it consists more of metaphors. 'Jews' is not literal in this chapter, just as 'Israel' is not literal in the same chapter. Read Romans 9, specifically verses 24-27.

Whether a person is a Jew or not, it does not matter. We are all the same, Children of God (Israelites). The word Israel and Jew, is not literall in this chapter as we read it, but metaphorical, it is defining the Saved. Whether you live in Israel or not does not matter to God. Whether you are a Jew or Christian, does not matter to God so much because we are also 'predestined'.

You have to remember that we are dealing with a spiritual book here, and not everything in it is physical, but rather most of it being spiritual, hence the word Holy used before Bible.