Mark 14:11-21

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seekHm1st> Okay folks, it's time to get rolling
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Bible study
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seekHm1st> I have actually, just a few brief announcements and
comments to make before we begin the study.
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seekHm1st> Just one more thing before we begin the study.
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seekHm1st> Okay, would anyone like to open with prayer, before we
begin our study?
Tigre_blanc> o/
seekHm1st> Go right ahead sir
Tigre_blanc> Father thank you for this day and for all
you've done for us
Tigre_blanc> Lord we ask that you'll just open our hearts
and minds to receive your word
Tigre_blanc> Lord just help us to apply it to our lives
Tigre_blanc> Lord just bless everyone here
Tigre_blanc> in Jesus name we pray Amen
froggie> Thank You Lord and amen
seekHm1st> Amen
seekHm1st> Thank you Tigre_blanc
seekHm1st> Okay, last time we were in Mark 14, Shield was
continuing to take us through an inductive study of the Book.
Tigre_blanc> you're welcome seekHm1st
seekHm1st> I wasn't here, but I read the study on the forums :)
seekHm1st> We were taking a deeper look at the passage, and just
exactly what was going on, just two days before Passover.
seekHm1st> The last verse we read together was;
seekHm1st> 10 Then Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, went to the
chief priests to betray Jesus to them
seekHm1st> I wanted to look at that just a little bit, because it
is easy to overlook.
seekHm1st> Most of us know Judas as the man that betrayed Jesus
seekHm1st> You hear his name referenced all the time, used as a
general term in movies and in literature for someone who betrays another
person.
seekHm1st> But it is easy to forget sometimes, that Judas Iscariot
was chosen by Jesus to be one of His disciples.
seekHm1st> To me, this is a very significant thing, because though
Judas betrayed Jesus, as we shall see tonight, and in the coming weeks,
seekHm1st> all of Jesus' disciples fell away from Him at a crucial
point.
seekHm1st> We've seen in the chapters leading up to this point
that Jesus' disciples shared in misunderstanding His ministry.
seekHm1st> They were all selected by Jesus as His disciples. The
Twelve.
seekHm1st> Yet, they expected Jesus to say all the right things,
politically.
seekHm1st> He didn't say the things they expected.
seekHm1st> Lately, He had been persistently talking about dying,
about His death.
seekHm1st> They no doubt all went through varying stages of feat,
anxiety, anger, and confusion, even disappointment.
seekHm1st> They probably all wondered why Jesus had chosen any of
them if He was just doomed to die?
seekHm1st> How would His death secure Him a kingdom?
seekHm1st> How could they serve at His side, if He was dead?
seekHm1st> Judas was no different in this, but he allowed the
strength of his emotions, his desires,
seekHm1st> to put him in a position wherein the enemy could
manipulate them.
seekHm1st> As believers who are learning together, let's keep that
in mind as we push forward through the text.
seekHm1st> Let me post verse 10 again, and if I ask questions,
please raise your hand like so-- o/ and I'll call on you.
seekHm1st> 10 Then Judas Iscariot, one of the Twelve, went to the
chief priests to betray Jesus to them.
seekHm1st> Now let's look at verse 11
seekHm1st> 11 They were glad when they heard this, and promised to
give him money. And he began seeking how to betray Him at an opportune time.
seekHm1st> (They were glad)--- who were "they"?
seekHm1st> anyone care to respond?
doubtless> o/
seekHm1st> doubtless?
doubtless> the chief priests. the ruling members of the
temple
seekHm1st> Right
seekHm1st> The text tells us that the chief priests were glad when
Judas came to them to betray Jesus.
seekHm1st> So glad that they promised Judas what?
migisi> o/
seekHm1st> migisi?
migisi> money!
seekHm1st> Yes, money
seekHm1st> So far, can we know from the text exactly what
motivated Judas to seek to do this thing?
seekHm1st> Just the text we are reading here.
BJaway> o/
seekHm1st> BJaway?
BJaway> not really... unless it was the money... but he
went to them BEFORE the money was offered so it wasn't that... so, no not
really
seekHm1st> I would agree
seekHm1st> let's look further
seekHm1st> 12 On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the
Passover {lamb} was being sacrificed, His disciples *said to Him, "Where do
You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?"
seekHm1st> 13 And He *sent two of His disciples and *said to them,
"Go into the city, and a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water;
follow him;
seekHm1st> 14 and wherever he enters, say to the owner of the
house, 'The Teacher says, "Where is My guest room in which I may eat the
Passover with My disciples?'"
seekHm1st> There is something sort of subtle going on here, to us
perhaps, but not to the two disciples who were sent on this errand.
seekHm1st> How did Jesus describe the man that would meet the two
disciples?
seekHm1st> Look at the last three verses again.
seekHm1st> Anyone?
doubtless> o/
seekHm1st> doubtless?
doubtless> he must've been a servant of the owner of the
house
doubtless> he was getting water for his master
seekHm1st> Okay, very probably so, but I am looking for just how
Jesus described the man they would see.
froggie> o/
BJaway> o/
seekHm1st> froggie?
migisi> o/
froggie> there would be a man with a jar of water?
seekHm1st> right
seekHm1st> a man will meet you carrying a pitcher of water
seekHm1st> The city was a busy place.
froggie> and to go with him
seekHm1st> It was the first day of "Unleavened Bread", Mark
stated. There were lots women and men milling about.
seekHm1st> What would be so unusual about a man carrying a pitcher
of water that he might stand out among the throngs of people around him?
BJaway> o/
seekHm1st> BJaway?
BJaway> he said the man would "meet them" as though he
would be expecting them.
migisi> o/
seekHm1st> Okay, that could very well be a part of it.
seekHm1st> migisi?
migisi> BJ said what I had in mind
seekHm1st> alright
seekHm1st> I think that makes a lot of sense.
seekHm1st> But there is also something cultural that is probably
taking place here.
seekHm1st> It was probably uncommon for a man to be seen carrying
a pitcher of water. Ladies usually performed that task in that society in
those days
BJaway nods
seekHm1st> So perhaps, that made the man easy to spot.
seekHm1st> coupled with what BJaway and migisi said
seekHm1st> we may have a slightly fuller picture there.
seekHm1st> 15 "And he himself will show you a large upper room
furnished and ready; prepare for us there."
migisi hmmmmm
seekHm1st> 16 The disciples went out and came to the city, and
found it just as He had told them; and they prepared the Passover.
seekHm1st> So the two disciples found everything as Jesus had told
them it would be, and went about preparing the Passover meal.
seekHm1st> This would not have just included setting the table
properly.
seekHm1st> These two men would have been responsible for buying a
Passover lamb and getting it prepared for the meal.
seekHm1st> Along with that, the preparations would have included
the bitter herb, sauces and unleavened bread and wine and other foods that
were part of the ceremonial meal.
seekHm1st> They would also have made sure to have water handy to
wash their hands before eating.
seekHm1st> The meal was to be eaten at night, after sunset, and it
had to be done before midnight.
seekHm1st> 17 When it was evening He came with the twelve.
seekHm1st> 18 As they were reclining at the table and eating,
Jesus said, "Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me--one who is
eating with Me."
seekHm1st> Whoa
seekHm1st> Can you imagine?
seekHm1st> Having been so close to this man they so admired, so
cared for, to be told this, at dinner?
migisi can't imagine
seekHm1st> 19 They began to be grieved and to say to Him one by
one, "Surely not I?"
seekHm1st> So the next question is, how does the text say they
reacted to this news?
BJaway> o/
seekHm1st> BJaway?
BJaway> wow... they actually asked if it was them? I never
actually noticed that before...
migisi> o/
seekHm1st> Yeah, they did.
seekHm1st> migisi?
migisi> they grieved
seekHm1st> right
seekHm1st> they began to grieve
seekHm1st> and it says that they asked that question, "Is it I?"
one by one.......
seekHm1st> Okay, I may be looking for an over-obvious answer here,
but who are the -they-, that the text is speaking of here?
seekHm1st> hint--- look at verse 17 again
migisi> o/
seekHm1st> migisi?
migisi> here is a brief definition of grieve: lament, weep,
bewail, bemoan; suffer. Grieve, mourn imply showing suffering caused by
sorrow. Grieve is the stronger word, implying deep mental suffering often
endured alone and in silence but revealed by one's aspect: to grieve
seekHm1st> Thanks migisi.
migisi> yw
seekHm1st> Anyone care to identify the "they"?
seekHm1st> From verse....17.... wink wink.
BJaway> o/
seekHm1st> BJaway?
BJaway> the twelve disciples
seekHm1st> exactly
seekHm1st> Okay, the text says in verse 19 that they began to be
grieved.
seekHm1st> It does not single anyone out.
seekHm1st> It says that they, one by one, said to Him, "Surely not
I?"
seekHm1st> Does that mean that Judas, was also grieved by Jesus'
words?
migisi wispers GBU I have to go thanks for the study.
seekHm1st> You're very welcome/
seekHm1st> glad you came
migisi> ty:)
migisi> me too
seekHm1st> Anyone wish to comment?
seekHm1st> Are there different reasons for people to grieve?
seekHm1st> I think we can all answer a yes to that.
BJaway nods
seekHm1st> Again, he had not yet betrayed Jesus at this point, and
we cannot know everything that Judas was feeling, or know what motivated him
to go to the chief priests as BJ said, but the notion that he was one of
those grieving here is something to keep in mind.
seekHm1st> 20 And He said to them, "It is one of the twelve, one
who dips with Me in the bowl.
seekHm1st> 21 "For the Son of Man is to go just as it is written
of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would
have been good for that man if he had not been born."
seekHm1st> How did Jesus refer to Himself here?
BJaway> o/
seekHm1st> BJaway?
BJaway> the Son of Man
seekHm1st> right, as He did many times
seekHm1st> Calling Himself the Son of Man here was not a denial of
His deity.
seekHm1st> As Corky pointed out in last week's question and answer
time, He did not cease being God.
seekHm1st> Jesus was referring to prophetic writings about Himself
in the Old Testament. His betrayal by a friend was prophesied there too.
seekHm1st> But yet, He gave more than a fair warning here to that
very person.
seekHm1st> What was that warning?
seekHm1st> Take a look at verse 21 one more time
seekHm1st> 21 "For the Son of Man is to go just as it is written
of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would
have been good for that man if he had not been born."
BJaway> o/
seekHm1st> BJaway?
BJaway> well... "woe" to him.
seekHm1st> right, better for him if he hadn't been born
seekHm1st> double woe
BJaway nods
seekHm1st> I would ask you to think about this, if Judas had no
choice in determining his actions, why would Jesus bother to warn him?
seekHm1st> And let's go ahead I think, and leave it there for
tonight.
seekHm1st> And we will press on again with this next time.
froggie> k
seekHm1st> Let's pray
<BJaway> very insightful, seekHm1st... very
thought-provoking
seekHm1st> Father, we thank You for who You are.
seekHm1st> And we thank You for how just, and how merciful and
forgiving You are.
seekHm1st> We thank You for Your grace.
BJaway> yes Lord!
seekHm1st> We ask Father that You would keep us in Your will, not
letting us veer one way or the other,
seekHm1st> but solidly entrenched in Your word, and in prayer and
in fellowship, so that we could be where You want us to be every moment of
our lives, and becoming more fruitful stewards of what You have given us.
BJaway> Amen Lord!
seekHm1st> Lead us not into temptation, but Father, keep us in
constant hunger for Your guidance, so that we have no need or want to impose
our own wills in place of Yours.
seekHm1st> Let the words of our mouths, and the meditations of our
hearts, be acceptable in Your sight, oh LORD, our strength, and our
redeemer. Amen